SOME things that fly there be,—
Birds, hours, the bumble-bee:
Of these no elegy.
Some things that stay there be,—
Grief, hills, eternity:
Nor this behooveth me.
There are, that resting, rise.
Can I expound the skies?
How still the riddle lies!
~Emily Dickinson
Editor’s Note: This conversation has been heavily hacked in the interest of anyone making any sense of it. Topics edited from this transcript include but are by no means limited to Anglo-Saxon riddles, Brenna’s theatrical angst, the epic saga of Pam reading a biography of Hamilton, a book that Pam actually did finish reading but isn’t sure she should have, the resulting excoriation of books about blonde Amazons, and nicknames referencing fish.
Pam: My first question is this: why did we choose this poem?
Brenna: We chose this poem because I flipped through the book and landed on it.
Pam: The secret of this poem is that it is a Carrollesque riddle. So chance is laughing at us.
Brenna: Okay, full disclosure: I chose this poem because I don’t understand it. As of this point, I have two different criteria for selecting E. D. poems: 1) the poem somehow fits the specific day/month/season, or 2) I don’t get it and I am really, really hoping you will explain it to me.
Pam: I chose yesterday’s poem because I wanted a sunny poem. I do not understand this one at all. BUT. Shall we attempt to come up with plausible explanations which cannot be proven at all?
Brenna: Sure! SO. Poem. Who titled this poem? Did E.D. title it? Or was it retroactively titled? Either way, it feels like some kind of smug joke. The title, that is. “I have a secret, but I’m not telling you! Especially NOT in this poem!”
Pam: The secret is that you will NEVER understand this poem.
Brenna: Oh, okay. I think you’ve got it. CASE CLOSED.
Pam: Some things fly: birds, hours, bees. Of these, she’s not writing any elegy; she’s not mourning them. Or somebody isn’t writing an elegy. Either the author is personally not mourning them, or the author is noting that these things are not mourned after they’ve departed.
Brenna: Or she’s not memorializing or reflecting on them. “Elegy” can be a lament, but doesn’t have to be, according to my just-now super-sketch Google analysis. Maybe, because they’re fleeting, she’s not going to dwell on them?
Pam: Elegy doesn’t have to be a reflection on the dead . . . but it’s usually a reflection on the dead.
Brenna: True–and birds, hours, bees all die quickly. They’re sort of defined by their ephemeral nature. “Birds, hours, bees–meh. Why would I write of such things? (despite the fact that this is literally what I write about).”
Pam: Stanza 2: some things remain forever; grief, hills, eternity. “Nor this behooveth me”: this is not my responsibility. But what isn’t her responsibility? The elegy from the first stanza? Eternity?
Brenna: I think she’s dismissing the things in stanzas 1 and 2 equally.
Pam: There’s no point mourning things that die, or time that has passed, because that’s how those things work. There’s no point in worrying about the length of grief or the prospect of eternity because you can’t change those, either.
Brenna: Stanza 3: “There are, that resting, rise”–she is deliberately leaving out the subject of the sentence.It’s a secret, a mystery. [shakes fist in general direction of Amherst]
Pam: She is deliberately being a jerk.
Brenna: Such a jerk. E.D., Mean-girl.
Pam: Mean-girl OG. But it’s Dickinson. Rest. Rest in peace? We’re talking about dead spirits who have risen, perhaps? Can she explain the skies? No, she cannot.
Brenna: Does she herself not know the answer? Maybe she’s not being mean or smug or secretive–maybe she’s struggling to express the inexpressible.
Pam: How still the riddle lies: this, for me, ties into the “rest” in the first line of this stanza. The riddle is death, or what happens to the soul afterward; the riddle is thereby still because the body is dead and unmoving. Perhaps a little bit of “why am I trying to explain this when it’s inexplicable? Why am I trying to figure this out when it’s unknowable?” “Still” is also in contrast to all of the things in stanza one–bees, birds, time. But: can grief die? Can hills? Can immortality? Is that the riddle? I love trying to figure these out, but I also feel a little bit like I’m in the labyrinth and I’ve run out of string, so I must go back to the beginning without having located the center.
Brenna: My brain hurts.
Pam: I feel like we need to add in a Dickinson biography to this project!
Brenna: I want to say that this is a good idea, but I am afeard. But we should read a Dickinson biography. We should. Should should should.
Pam: We should! But will we?
Brenna: YOU KNOW US SO WELL.